A Blogpost to explain why I have not Redacted excerpts from the Terrorist Manifesto ‘The Great Replacement’ from my other blog posts written before the Chief Censor Banned it.

I have not shared the Manifesto in its complete form.
I do not hold any copies of it either electronically on my PC or in paper form.
I have only commented and quoted it in reference to current affairs… none of which has been to incite hatred, or racism, but merely to critsise Government actions that have taken place directly related to the Terrorist attack in Christchurch.
I sourced my references to the manifesto by the internet *before the chief censor deemed it to be a prohibited publication*

This blog post was originally an *Important note* I had attached to my other blogpost here … yet because this thing incrementally grew as events have rapidly transpired it became absurd to leave it as a note that was almost as long and significant as my original post.
So I decided to cut it from the top of that post and make it a post in its own right and I will place a link on the top of my other post to direct readers to this explanation.

What is ironic is that I have posted parts of the manifesto onto facebook, yet because I have been banned for 7 days… I cant access my posts to delete them!
🙂

Tim W

23-3-19.
I have just been made aware that the New Zealand Chief Censor has Banned the Manifesto ‘The Great Replacement’.
The question has been asked doe this also include comments and the like on facebook?
Some people think the law can be construed to include all such things… yet this Blog was written before this notification was made public, and because the law states “132 Exhibiting parts of a publication
A person may be convicted of exhibiting an objectionable publication if what is exhibited is in all the circumstances objectionable, notwithstanding that it is a part only of a publication that is not objectionable or is a restricted publication.”… I believe that the context in which I have used portions of the Manifesto that this falls outside these ‘Objectionable’ conditions as my quotations are legitimate Public discourse on serious political issues that are the legitimate domain for free speech and open political discussion.
And so until I receive any official threats of prosecution I will not assume I am breaking any laws by not deleting it from my post… as to do so will not only detract from my protest, but also be another instances of the very topic of this blogpost… the political suppression of Free speech and dialogue.
I have just been made aware of this via this article.
Now if I was using quotations from the manifesto to incite Racism or violence… I would fear that I was acting within the context the Chief Censor means by the use of the term ‘objectionable’ and would therefore be in breach of his Ban … yet I am only quoting it in context of providing the necessary facts for my criticism of these very sorts of censorship that work for party political ends against the rights and liberties of the people.
Will they also ban all global media from New Zealand internet that quote the manifesto?
How in reality will this work?
I encourage New Zealanders not to delete any comments, blogs or posts that are written in the spirit of Free and open dialogue without malicious intent.
As It becomes more apparent what this ‘Ban’ entails, I may apply for an exemption should it be necessary to prevent my Blogposts from being suppressed, yet I hope it will not require that!
Oh how New Zealand has fallen! and become a land of Slaves without a voice!
We cant let something as vital as Free speech be outlawed by shameful politicians who seek to dictate the only legal narrative!
PLEASE SHARE MY BLOG!

Update: 24-3-19
The NZ Herald appears to be still quoting from his manifesto… after the Chief censors ban.
“The accused gunman’s manifesto, and his Facebook feed, refer to previous mass killers, such as the Norwegian far-right terrorist Anders Breivik, and from historical fascists such as Oswald Mosley. Having barely finished school he shunned university to work as a personal trainer. He sourced material online. “You will not find the truth anywhere else,” he wrote.
From here
Note also this article can be shared via facebook, twitter, etc.

What is also disturbing about this article is that NZ security expert condemns ‘The self educated’ as ‘dangerous to society’… ie free thinkers whose minds have not been conditioned by the system… sort of the same rationale used by the Athen state to execute Socrates.

” Devon Polaschek, joint director of the NZ Institute of Security and Crime Science, told media after analysing the manifesto: “The problem is that he is self-educated, and he is self-selecting the information that he is consuming. Reinforcing what he already thinks in a circular process.”

I will be adding to this post as relevant material comes to my attention and as events unfold.

Tim Wikiriwhi

Libertarian

Update: It appears my intuitions about not being too hasty to delete the Manifesto quotations from my Blog posts like other sites have done… eg Whale oil and Rightminds… was correct.

Here is a quote from the NZ Chief Censor David Shanks… “Most people reading the publication will not be harmed by it.

“Most New Zealanders who have read this will simply find it repellent. But most New Zealanders are not the target audience. It is aimed at a small group who may be receptive to its hateful, racist and violent ideology, and who may be inspired to follow the example set by its apparent author,” said Mr Shanks.

It is an offence to possess or distribute an objectionable publication. People who have downloaded this document, or printed it, should destroy any copies, Mr Shanks said.

Those engaged in further reporting on the Christchurch attack may be tempted to consider the use of quotes from the publication that have already been used in other media reports.

“That use of excerpts in media reports may not in itself amount to a breach of the FVPCA, but ethical considerations will certainly apply,” said Mr Shanks.”
Dated Sat March 23.

From here.

More by Tim on the Christchurch Terrorism and subsequent opportunistic Government legislative oppression of free speech and Gun confiscations from the innocent and law abiding …

FACEBOOKS COLLABORATION WITH LIBERAL TYRANNY. SHUTTING DOWN DISSENT AGAINST NEW ZEALAND PM’S NEW GUN BANS

THE CHRISTCHURCH TERRORIST ATTACK, PM ARDERN’S DESIRE TO BAN SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLES, AND THE DELUSION THAT WILL MAKE NEW ZEALANDERS SAFER.

Facebooks collaboration with Liberal Tyranny. Shutting Down Dissent Against New Zealand PM’s New Gun Bans

Important:
I have written an explanation as to why I have not redacted excerpts of the manifesto ‘the great replacement’ from this blog post… here

The Blog post below and an earlier post were written before the Chief Censor imposed the ban.

I’m being Punished for Anti-SJW activism.

Here I sit in Facebook jail for a week for the heinous thought crime of publicly criticising New Zealand Prime minister Jacinda Ardern’s New Gun prohibitions on the net.

My sentence was immediate … without warning… and I had no idea I was posting anything that could be construed as being ‘an offence’ of any kind.
I was merely exercising my right to free speech and open dialogue as a Libertarian activist and Blogger.

Read my last Blog post on this subject here

The Rush to make the SJW Agenda Law and suppressing reasoned opposition..

I have read commentary that the NZ Police were to some degree responsible for the Christchurch Terror attack in that when they issued this Australian a firearms licence they did not follow the law as it already existed!
They did not check his house or interview his references and so the Police themselves did not follow the letter of the law that was already in place!
This make this a case of police mishandling, and shows the futility of the idea that more Laws will keep us safe… the Police cant even manage the ones we already have.

Much to my surprise Ardern has devised a Machiavellian scheme to make her prohibitions immediate without following the normal due democratic processes… she says this will happen in due course… as if its a foregone conclusion that parliament will support her plans. and the legislation will be retrospectively enacted, and Liberals around the globe have been Lording her like she is some sort of legislative Messiah and calling upon their own governments to follow her lead… precisely like the Terrorist expressly wanted them to do!

I believe Ardern was instructed to do this by her Mentor Helen Clark, whom used this same device of retrospective legislation herself when PM to stop a high court lawsuit she was facing for election fraud and misappropriation! (search up Pledgcardgate… good luck with that as most of the information about this has conveniently ‘disappeared’ off the net… Clark being a UN Lefty Big wig… this is precisely the sort of inconvenient facts the left have successfully suppressed )
Whenever politicians use ‘retrospective legislation’ the people should be vary wary… and in the Case of Jacinda Ardern’s ‘Immediate gun ban’ she is circumventing the safety checks of due democratic process… that is supposed to prevent legislation from being implemented too hastily, and insure there is plenty of public discussion and sober minded rationale… tested in the public domain.

UNITED NATIONS, NEW YORK CITY, NY, UNITED STATES – 2015/09/18: Helen Clark, Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and candidate for the job of UN Secretary General 2016 during a Press briefing on the launch of the Millennium Development Goal (MDG) Gap Task Force Report 2015 today at the United Nations Headquarters in New York City. (Photo by Luiz Rampelotto/Pacific Press/LightRocket via Getty Images)

SJW Ardern is using the heat of emotion generated by the terror attacks to maximise the chance of getting this legislation passed without much sober contemplation by Opposition Mps or the People, therefore she certainly does not want dissenting views and criticisms about her new Gun laws or large protests before they are ratified by parliament, and so The Activist SJW Liberals running facebook… acting unilaterally yet deliberately are banning Dissenting voices like mine, and I have been prevented from posting and commenting for 7 days even though I have not violated their community standards.
They have done so out of pure political bias… while claiming I have violated their community standards… without any explanation.

This is the post that got me ‘Zucc-ed’ (Photo below)…remember there was no ban on sharing excerpts from the manifesto when I posted this… and now that it has been banned you may appreciate the truth of what I am saying… Political suppression of dissenting opinion.

As you can see, I did not write anything that can be construed as being against any of the Facebook community standards with respect to nudity, hateful, or otherwise what is commonly understood to be offensive… Nothing racist, or sexist, etc… I simply expressed my political opinion about Arderns new and corrupt Gun prohibitions, and validated my statement with a factual quote and accompanied these facts with a relevant picture for readers to investigate for themselves.
I got the photo off Google.

And this post contains no inaccuracies, nor anything that has not been published on facebook by other media…

eg Here… New Zealand Shooter is a Radical Environmentalist Who Believes the Earth is “Overpopulated”

And on Fox news… see photo below…

What is even more interesting is NZ Herald published video of the terror attack but have not yet been charged with a crime! here
Political Favoritism and Sly Expedience???? MUCH!

The Governments suppression and threats of Imprisonment.(please remember I wrote this passage before the Chief Censor Banned the Manifesto)

I did not share any of the video footage of the terrorist action that was put on the net, that has been outlawed by the New Zealand government, yet to my knowledge there is no prohibition on discussion or sharing the Manifesto the terrorist published on line in which he gave his reasons for why he committed this crime, and why he used guns, and it would be the height of political suppression of the truth if any such prohibition was imposed because that would muzzle the peoples right to discuss this heinous crime, and understand it, yet it appears the liberal running facebook made a completely arbitrary decision to ‘prohibit’ posts like mine on this topic.
and in so doing they display their extreme political prejudice.

I have not watched the footage and I have no desire to watch such a barbarous thing, yet still it is a gross act of suppression by the government to outlaw the video and prosecute people whom have shared it on their social media. Its suppression is part of the general desire of the government to steam roll through their oppressive new Gun control legislation without protests from the people who may watch the terrorist video and realise the government cant keep us safe from terrorism or mass murder, and demand *more gun rights* not less.

The video has been shared far and wide internationally… The Turkish president Erdoğan has used it many times for its propaganda value against Islamiphobia in the west as part of his election campaign!
yet our Government has made it a crime for us to share it… and what they have not been able to suppress by law, The social media working in cahoots have taken it upon themselves to shut down critisims of the left on their social media platforms.

Internet Tyranny, the Leftist war on Free speech.

This agenda driven censorship has become prolific, and demonstrates a massive political fraud being perpetrated against the entire world by the Left’s dominance over the world wide web, esp of social media like Facebook and it can be easily shown they are actively engaged in perverting the democratic processes of Western societies in favour of Leftist Political parties and their political agendas.
While it is harder for them to suppress Established sites with millions of followers, yet still because the left have lost on so many fronts in recent times to establish their Global tyranny… from Brexit, to the defeat of Hillary Clinton, they have moved against their outspoken adversaries under the guise of fighting ‘fake news’… They have suceeded in banning and marginalizing many popular voices on the right … and comparatively it has been a walk in the park to pick off small fry like me by the tens of thousands without any recompense!
By using so called ‘Community standards’ they are targeting Individuals like myself who are activists against Lefty Liberalism and thereby not only crushing well reasoned and truthful dissenting views and posts from spreading throughout the population and gaining a foothold in the public sphere, but are also projecting an atmosphere of Fear and suppression… intimidating many people from speaking their minds out of fear Facebook will punish them, and maybe even close their pages down.

This is the treat that hangs over Social media now and the threat that I now face.
Will they shut down my page?
One of my people actually told me he consciously watches what he posts out of fear he will be ‘Zucced’ as this will affect his business and livelihood!
And this is *outrageous* that the political bias of Facebook is so extreme that people are scared to be vocally critical of things like these new oppressive gun laws.
All it takes is for one slippery snake Liberal hiding in your group or friends list to report your post to the Facebook gestapo and you can find yourself jailed without any sort of due process… without the opportunity to say anything in your own defense. and of course these Snakes hiding in your grass never stand up and and say to your face they reported you… they are happy to remain hidden among your friends… These Judas types dont admit their collaboration with the gestapo to the rest of the group as they know they will be thrown out.
So there they sit… like a terrorist cell… evil malevolent minions of the powers that be… serving as the spies of the Facebook gestapo … ready to report any criticism that they dont like… Satan Laughing spreads his wings.


Google skews Web searches in favour of leftist ideology and buries site they disprove of.
De-Platforming their enemies from the Internet is now standard Left wing modus opperandi.
They get hysterical when any independent voice they cant control gains a large following. (here)
The left will move mountains to get visiting speakers they cant control visas revoked. (here)

This concerted agenda by the left is tantamount to staging a Global Coup!
These Gargantuan Internet Tyrants and mainstream media are in fact working in cahoots with Leftist Governments and parties and acting in a manor that is 100% contrary to the Ethical standards of Journalism and are flouting the duty of what a free press is supposed to be! Independent of Government and the vanguard of Liberty and free speech!
These powers have become the chief tools of censorship and imposing a heavy handed political agenda.

The Lefts massive manipulation and corruption of the foundations of Western Democracy and Elections.

This massive interference with free speech and discourse in New Zealand with respect to the Christchurch event not only demonstrates how the Social media Giants Liberal bias and activism is now being used around the globe to smooth the road for Leftist Legislators to get their oppressive agenda made Law, it also pales into insignificance any delusions people may have had about Russia interfering with the US elections!
So the hypocrisy of the Left is to cry blue murder when they suspect the internet has been used to spread propaganda against them… yet they have moved with utmost vigor to make sure the internet is now a propaganda machine for the Left… under the pretext of fighting fake news and hate speech.

I believe these massive internet giants controlled by Social Justice Warrior Liberals are perpetrating a massive fraud against the populations of the democratic world ant are acting with such extreme prejudice as to nearly eclipse what has been possible by most Authoritarian governments such as China and North Korea… and Russia in which Putin has just passed more ‘Fake news’ laws to further outlaw criticism of his government and to punish anyone who dares.
That is how tyranny works… By passing Laws under the pretext of a righteous cause when in reality they are legalising their own crimes against their political opponents.
Though the Internet Giants are privately owned, that cannot be a legitimate excuse for what they are doing because the Fraud they are committing is the pretense that their internet services are fair and objective and are not Bullying or suppressing genuine free speech.
This is their Great lie!

I believe there is a legitimate case of grand Election fraud these companies ought to be legally taken to task… something like the Muller investigation but against the bias and manipulation of the internet for personal political ends.

I dont understand why some wealthy and tech savvy entrepreneurs have not set up already set up better alternatives!???
The Market is crying out for it and I believe the future liberty and well being of western civilisation hangs on dire urgent need for the Lefts stranglehold over the internet to be smashed!
I may already be too late.
If there were credible competing alternative social media to Facebook, Google, and YouTube who acted in a more ethical fashion and who respected the rights of individuals to free speech and expression I would abandon the services of these prejudiced liberal companies voluntarily, and I am sure 50% of the internet would do so too, yet while they hold a virtual monopoly on social media, I refuse to ‘ban myself’ and abandon the internet to the Machiavellian Liberals!
I will go down fighting!

Defending NZ Gun rights from SJW Gun confiscations and criminalisation.

Before I was ‘Zucced’ I was busy on Facebook calling for Gun owners not to surrender their rights without protest. I was encouraging them to practice peaceful civil disobedience of the most honorable type… non compliance with unjust demands from the state.
With regards to the ploy of a government ‘buy back’, I argue that even if the government tries to bribe you into surrendering your rights Gun owners need to refuse to comply… In the US New Jersey State demanded all the high capacity mags get handed in… nobody complied!
*That is how Free people respond to unjust laws*
Read more here.
This is why they want to register Guns too… so then they can confiscate them.

Of course they will send the cops around to arrest a few non-compliant gun owners,,, yet all kiwi gun owners who are not slaves of the state will need to rally and help them with their legal defense.
Gun owners should be uniting and planning protests!
They have been made criminals though they have committed no crimes!
They have had their rights and liberties trampled upon by a tyrannical little nobody.

Yet there are Reports of hundreds of New Zealand gun owners voluntarily already surrendering their Semi Autos, with many kiwi believing the line… ‘gun ownership is a privilege… not a right’ Read more here
The New Zealand government does not want the NRA to help Kiwi gun owners rally and defend themselves from loosing their gun rights!

It appears these reports of large scale surrendering of guns to the police are just more propaganda designed to fool NZ gun owners into the belief that most gun owners agree with the new prohibition and in so doing demoralise any who are hoping to rally a large scale protest.

A friend of mine parroted these naive sentiments… “We in NZ don’t have a 2nd Amendment for gun ownership in the way you are suggesting.
Gun ownership is a privilege not a right allowed under the direction of the government. If the rules change they change we have to comply. Pretending that we are Americans will not work here sorry. We are now have a new law that we will have to comply with whether we like it or not.”.

I had to school him…. “The second amendment does not ‘grant’ a privilege to the American people at the generosity of the US government… what the second amendment does is *Enunciate a natural right that all human beings have* and that is why it tells the government *they shall pass no law that violates this natural human right* .
So that we kiwi dont have a second amendment *does not mean* we dont have the natural right to bear arms… the means of self defense… we do have that right irrespective of what our government thinks or wants.. or compels!
The problem we have is that our backward Nation has no protection of our rights from tyrants and socialists like Ardern… and so we are exposed to the evil of a government that can trample upon our rights… yet that does not make it just… it means we are the victims of oppressive government and evil laws.”

Tim Wikiriwhi
Christian Libertarian.

PS… A Gun rights petition is circulating Here
Please sign it!

Here is what it says…
Prime Minister

We are asking for you to reconsider your plans to rush legislation that drastically changes our firearms laws.

We have two main concerns:

1: The exclusion of subject matter experts WILL simply result in bad law.

2: Rushed legislation WILL make the nation LESS safe.

There is simply no need to suspend democracy here.

You have made one huge change on zero notice, after only a few days of consideration and with most of the affected parties excluded.

Now you have promised huge new law changes from Parliament in a matter of only days. Before many important issues have even been considered. All we have now are questions.

It has been thirty years since anything remotely comparable occurred. We have the time to do this right.

Thank you for your consideration.

Let us please do the RIGHT thing here. Not just be seen to act.

ShootersLottery.Org.NZ

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Update: Though I cant comment or make posts for 7 days I can still access my page and read my news feed, anyway I just received yet another facebook notification that I have violated Community standards on another post in which a simply posted a photo of the terrorist in his car and called him Scum!
I made this post within an hour of hearing about the terrorist attack, and in no way was their any ‘Ban’ on posting photos of the terrorist… it was quite a natural response!

Either I have again been reported by some snake, or Facebooks AI ‘Zuccbotts’ are hard at work supressing any pictures and commentary on the terrorist attack in Christchurch!
In no way did I say anything violent, or praise the terrorist!
I simply called him scum!
*****

Interesting NZ Youtube video talks about the bias in NZ Media ‘Newshub’.

I concur about how disgusting Newhub is and in fact I blocked them from my facebook newsfeed only a few days ago out of pure disgust …

More… ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent

Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have. The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free speech has been sacrificed by company decision:

“We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right thing to do to block them.”
In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising free speech…

Read more! here

More from Tim…

NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES: SJWS RUNNING THE INTERNET ARE SILENCING CRITICS AND SYSTEMATICALLY UNDERMINING FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS ON A GLOBAL SCALE

FACEBOOK AI DOES NOT FOLLOW THEIR OWN COMMUNITY STANDARDS… BUT THEN WHO EXPECTS INTELLIGENCE FROM A STUPID ROBOT?

FCAKEBOOK TRANSGENDER PREJUDICE NOT FUNNY.

DO THE MATH…OBAMA IS WAGING A COVERT WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

LIZZY MARVELLY: SEX GODDESS, SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR, AND PROFESSIONAL VICTIM.

GUN RIGHTS ADVOCATES CARE ABOUT YOUR WIVES, MOTHERS, AND DAUGHTERS.

TRIBUTE: HERO CHRISTIAN BIKER WITH AR 15 SHOOTS IT OUT WITH TACTICALLY PREPARED CHURCH PSYCHO-KILLER .

ANTI-GUN LOBBY PROPAGANDA BACKFIRES. WOMAN ARE SAFER WITH GUNS.

GUNS ACROSS AMERICA. CHRISTIAN PASTOR SHAHRAM HADIAN SPEAKS IN DEFENCE OF 2ND AMENDMENT

.MORE GUNS LESS CRIME…

FOR GOODNESS SAKE…STICK TO YOUR GUNS!

AMERICA HAS FORGOTTEN ITS ROOTS! LAVOY’S DAUGHTER RAISES THE CALL!

The Christchurch Terrorist attack, PM Ardern’s desire to ban semi-Automatic rifles, and the delusion that will make New Zealanders safer.

Note: Tyranny has been running amok here in New Zealand since the Christchurch Terrorist Atrocity happened with Censorship, and suppression, People getting arrested for mere comments on Facebook! Its like The Death of Free speech has arrived.
My Blogpost (below) was written *before* many of these Censorship laws were rushed into being and so it contains references to the now banned manifest… yet if you go and read my latest blogpost here you will understand why I have not deleted these references from my post below.

I also wrote another Blog post on this subject before that Censorship ban Here and another *after the Ban here … in which I explain why I have not redacted excerpts of the manifesto ‘the great replacement’ from these related blog posts.

As a Christian Libertarian New Zealander my sincere condolences go out to the Muslim community in Christ church and their greater families and friends… and their wounded in the hospitals are in my prayers.

This horrific act of terrorism has caused our Nation such a deep wound that cuts to the heart, and my post today is like so many others that will be written about this crime, and asking what can be done to prevent this sort of atrocity happening again, yet My words will not be in support of the plan being preached down from above by Jacinda Ardern who is promising the state will do more to keep us all safe.
I want to suggest that this crime is a wake up call for New Zealanders to snap out of their childish and misplaced dependence on Misguided politicians like her and to take more responsibility for our own defense.
I want New Zealanders to wake up to the fact that we have already been robbed of many of our natural rights to take care of our own security and to utterly reject Arden’s plans to render us even more defenseless, and take away our Semi-automatic firearms that are 99.999% used for peaceful purposes… hunting.
So Our Great leader thinks little about destroying the rights of millions of New Zealanders over the actions of a handful of extremists.

And in fact The terrorist expressly chose firearms because he knew that would cause politicians to try and Ban guns….
This being So Jacinda Ardern is proving to be a gullible puppet on a string!
A Predictable Simpleton.
In his manifesto ‘The Great Replacement’ published on line before the attack the Killer said the reason he used firearms over other options was to achieve maximum Media Hype and to provoke Leftist politicians (like Jacinda Ardern) into passing draconian fire arms restrictions!
And like a Puppet on a string that is precisely what Ardern has immediately proposed to do!
The following is an extract from the manifesto… ‘The Great Replacement’…. warning… its vile stuff…

Quote:

Why did you choose to use firearms?
I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A
ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas,fire,vehicular attacks,plane
attacks, any means were available. I had the will and I had the resources. I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra
media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the
politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to
abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see
this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic
polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing
of the US along cultural and racial lines. Why did you choose New Zealand as a place to attack?
New Zealand was not the original choice for attack, I only arrived to New
Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon found
out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere
else in the West. Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of
the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the
invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world
and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass
immigration. Was there any reason you attacked that(those) mosque(s) in
particular?
Originally the mosque in Dunedin was the main target,particularly after
watching the video on their facebook page named “Otago muslim
association”


(From Stuff here)

Socialist Governments are absolutely idiotic.
What we are seeing here with Ardern’s declaration of a future ban on semi automatic weapons, is the lie that Socialists sell the world over … the claim that the more defenseless they render everybody… the more they take away our rights… the more laws they pass… that the safer we all are supposed to be…. *when the opposite is true*
Contemplate the fate of the Venezuelan population whom complied with their socialist government, and were disarmed!
The more defenseless they render us… the more exposed to violence we become!

Ardern’s ‘Super genius socialist plan’ is no better than the *Same utter rubbish* being pedaled in London due to the so-called ‘Knife crisis’.
Having Banned handguns there… people are now Stabbing each other. ( Where Murder abounds is a testament to a moral crisis that is something socialists cant fix by their stupid prohibitions)

In London the Socialists idiots running the place there are coming up with all sorts of suggested new laws and prohibitions!
Banning home delivery of knives… suggesting all knife points be rounded off ‘by law[… etc etc.
(See here)
And here… UK official says all knives should be fitted with GPS trackers to fight rise in stabbings. He’s mocked mercilessly.
He added that ‘it’s time we had a national database like we do with guns’!!!!!

Talk about unhinged!

Reality pill people!
You cannot ‘Ban’ the universe into being a ‘safe space’ for defenseless children…. these Liberal Tyrants are turning our nations into Children’s daycare centers… and it does not work!
They are are simply making the population more dependent upon the State… and therefor less self reliant… and more exposed.
Ie *Less safe!*
They are turning our societies into Prisons… yet even in prisons Dangerous criminals can still make shanks and murder you… even in a prison with hundreds of guards and all Guns and knives Banned!
Only *Idiots* think these prohibitions are a good idea… or have any hope of success!
The concept that any time something bad happens is an indication that the government needs to do ‘more’ is retarded.
I want you to think about this instead… These terrible events can just as easily be seen as an indication the Government needs to do *less*!
Instead of the Govenment taking away more of our rights, they ought to be restoring our rights they have already foolishly taken away!
*Re-Empowering us* to look out for our own security.
This is what a society of Free, enlightened, and self-reliant Citizens would be… a society that does not believe the foolish idea that our politicians can keep us safe.

Yet this *Do less* response to these sorts of horrors rarely occurs to the minds of the Sheeple who seek to rely on Governments to keep them safe rather than take responsibility for their own safety…
The Sheeple refuse to see this atrocity as proof of the failure of Nanny State Socialism.
Sheeple prefer to have Less rights rather than More personal responsibility…. and this childish mentality is precisely what feeds the Socialist politicians and why these Little brainless tyrants get elected instead of more honest, and competent candidates.
Socialism Feeds on Paranoia.
Liberty requires Bravery…. and so any event that spooks the sheeple results in more Socialism… less freedom.

Why did the Maniac choose to come to New Zealand to shoot peaceful Muslims instead of going to Syria and shooting *Real Islamic Terrorists*?
Because though he maybe consumed with hatred … he is not *Insane*… He knew our Socialist state has disarmed *our Muslims* … and did not fancy the Idea of having his victims shooting back!
Now… up until this Cowardly atrocity happened, its most likely that New Zealand Muslim migrants would have had little concerns about being dis-armed by the New Zealand government, and many of them probably bought into the delusion that this law has a lot to do with why New Zealand is so much ‘Safer’ than many of the places they have escaped from… yet that is not the case at all!

What causes New Zealand to be a safer place is not our Gun Restrictions, but our policy of Tolerance and relative religious liberty that comes from our enlightened and Founding Protestant Culture.
And Muslim immigrants have taken full advantage of this liberty and tolerance we enjoy here in this country to maintain their Islamic faith and community, and they are *practicing this tolerance of others too*, and this is the foundation of peaceful co-existence in a free society made up of disparate groups , each following their own conscience and peacefully worshiping God as they believe is right.
*Its this Tollerance, and respect for the religious liberty of others that makes New Zealand such a great place to live… for everyone.

In this sense New Zealand has been an example to the world that Freedom of Religion works and that Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, and Hindus, can all live together in the same communities to mutual benefit… based upon the common values that we all want to be safe in our lives and property, and be free to follow our own values while respecting the rights of our neighbors to do the same.

Yet even though by far the Majority of New Zealanders… both Native and new arrivals are tolerant and peaceful, there will always exist a tiny number of psychopaths and maliciously warped minds like these Freaks whom have cause our Nation such a horrific wound.

The lie That Socialist politicians continue to pedal … and the delusion of the Timid sheeple who worship Nanny State and vote for them… those who have no concept of the value of Freedom or self reliance … is that Socialist Nanny State can keep us all safe… if she is allowed to take away more of our rights and Liberties…
This is not only a dishonest lie that renders us all sitting ducks… it is also a Childish fantasy!
Its the Children’s fairy story about a Utopian world where folk have no need of Guns… where there are no Bad People who disobey the laws… dont make Guns or bombs… where the Government and police are angels and never act tyrannically or unjustly … etc etc
This is not the world we live in children!
This is the type of Childish thinking that refuses to see that though we have relative peace and liberty, and religious tolerance, that places like Mosques, Churches, and even schools, should have armed guards, and that it should be no big deal for ordinary people to carry the means of defending themselves.

I know that that last comment will have the sheep absolutely bleating!
Yet it is their sheepish terror that refuses to acknowledge *The real world truthfulness* of what I have said… and they want to cling to their fantasy that a disarmed population can be kept safe from this sort of Terrorism by Nanny state!

It has been reported that it took Police 36 minutes before they engaged the Terrorist from when they were first notified there was an active Gunman on the loose… and by then nearly 50 people were murdered and dozens more seriously injured.

And that we are taliking now about *Semi-autos* not Full automatic machine guns (which have already been banned) is a testament to *The Creeping socialist agenda to ban all privately owned guns* and leave only the State with fire arms!
The Tyrannical Government’s *wet Dream*… an absolutely helpless and subject population of slaves!
This is why The founding Fathers of American freedom enshrined the second amendment and why Tyranny loving Socialists Dems in the US are hell bent on abolishing the second.

The truth is This Terrorist attack against peaceful worshipers and immigrants proves We New Zealanders have lived in a socialist dream bubble that has burst.
The Root cause of this Terrorism is not too many Guns… but not enough… and it should become the norm that we have armed guards and *more gun rights not less* … generally speaking.
This is the reality pill that so few sheepish are willing to swallow and why our naive and simpleton Woke SJW Prime minister has already announced that semi-automatic fire arms will be outlawed!
This was a 100% predictable knee jerk reaction from her… I knew this would be her plan as soon as I herd about this crime, as it is Textbook for Socialist Liberals to use events like this to further empower themselves and take way the rights of the Millions of law abiding people under the pretext of public safety… and to try and keep the idiots believing the myth…maintaining the charade that * NANNY WILL KEEP US SAFE*… even though this Terror attack proves the lie!
Semi-automatic guns are the mainstay of Hunting in New Zealand.
They are Tools… not ‘Weapons’!
And we cannot allow our Virtue signally Woke SJW PM make New Zealand a laughing stock to the rest of the world… and an even more attractive destination for foreign extremists to commit these atrocities in the future!

Our Nation is rapidly being effeminated by the insanity of Lefty Liberalism.
It was only last century that New Zealanders were renowned for their Martial excellence distinguishing themselves in two world wars and that our enemies were very wary of our Nation because we were known to be a Nation of fearless warriors … Proud Gun owners who knew knew how to use them , and taught our children how to use them too.
*That is the sort of Mindset* that would make our country far less attractive to cowardly terrorists!
The very opposite message of what our foolish PM is broadcasting to the world.
Wake up New Zealand!


Professional Virtue signaler NZ PM Jacinda Ardern puts on her I care for Muslims ‘hat’

Well thankfully we do not yet live under *Her dictatorship* so thankfully she does not have the Authority to impose such an extreme and tyrannical Law upon us, and New Zealand still has a strong Hunting and gun ownership community (50 000 guns were imported into the country last year), and I am hoping New Zealander rally and publicly demonstrate against this new and absurd and extreme Gun regulation proposal… and I have high expectations that Jacinda Ardern will fail.
Lets hope so.
Read more here

Muslims and Christians, and Schools, and even Liquor stores and dairies etc need to look to their own security, and the Government needs to roll back regulations that hinder these places from being able to bear the means of self defense against dangerous Criminals who already flout the Law!
I have read that the Guns used in the Christchurch terrorist attack were *illegally obtained*… and so why would any fool think that passing more laws is gong to hinder these sorts of fanatical criminals?
Stop being Gullible idiots to the delusional failed tyrannical prohibitions of Simpletons in parliament.

On the one hand while our PM Basks in the limelight as the next Messiah… doning a hijab… hugging people and promises to cover the funeral costs of the victims, and other financial assistance, her minions in the NZ police were busy trying to suppress New Zealanders from veiwing and sharing footage of the attack:
See: Christchurch mosque attack: Up to 14 years’ jail for video sharers as Commissioner asks Facebook to give police names

This Grotesquely heavy handed suppression of the Truth is barefaced Liberal tyranny!
Of Course the NZ government and police dont want people to see the truth of their failure to keep New Zealanders safe… or for any sudden enlightenment to break out that the government are partly responsible for the death toll because they have disarmed us all by law leaving us exposed to criminals and terrorists..
They dont want New Zealanders to be shocked int demanding their rights back to Concealed carry of side arms for their own defense!
So this is about suppression of truth for the sake of the political agenda of the powers that be… and agenda they seek to further impose with their plans for more heavy handed Gun regulations.

When the Evil was raging in Christchurch …Many heroic deeds and exploits were done in the face of this monstrous Crime!
So called ‘Toxic Masculinity’ was on display in all its glory…
Men gave their lives attempting to stop the Gunman.
Fathers took bullets shielding their children.
others took grave risks to aid the injured.
Read one here

It is the height of foolishness to think that any new measures …any new prohibitions can grantee such atrocities never happen again in the future!
The best you can hope to achieve is a well armed and proficient Citizenry who are ready and capable to look to their own defense.

Lets not let the Terrorists or the Tyrants win.
Lets up Keep our Rights and liberties, and our toleration and respect for the rights of others.
Tim Wikiriwhi
Christian Libertarian.

Update: ‘Panic buying’ of guns to beat law change after Christchurch shooting

This is what New Zealanders think of Ardern’s Gun control plans!
AWESOME!
Dont trust the Government to keep you safe!

Update 18-3-19

Update 20-3-19 Read… ISIS call for extremists to take ‘revenge’ for New Zealand mosque shootings… And yet despite such threats our PM still wants to take away even more of our guns and leave us even more defenseless!

More from Tim…

GUN RIGHTS ADVOCATES CARE ABOUT YOUR WIVES, MOTHERS, AND DAUGHTERS.

TRIBUTE: HERO CHRISTIAN BIKER WITH AR 15 SHOOTS IT OUT WITH TACTICALLY PREPARED CHURCH PSYCHO-KILLER .

ANTI-GUN LOBBY PROPAGANDA BACKFIRES. WOMAN ARE SAFER WITH GUNS.

GUNS ACROSS AMERICA. CHRISTIAN PASTOR SHAHRAM HADIAN SPEAKS IN DEFENCE OF 2ND AMENDMENT

.MORE GUNS LESS CRIME…

FOR GOODNESS SAKE…STICK TO YOUR GUNS!

AMERICA HAS FORGOTTEN ITS ROOTS! LAVOY’S DAUGHTER RAISES THE CALL!

‘Single Use’ shopping bags! How Socialism turns virtue into vice.

Some one I know was at their childs school purchasing Schoolbooks for the new year when another parent struggling with a Big stack of stationary was asked if she would like a bag, it was then that my friend said she had plenty of bags at home and asked the school staff if they would like her to drop them in, yet they declined her offer exclaiming “Oh we dont used plastic bags at this school!”.
Obviously this was part of their ‘Conscientious Environmentalism’.
‘How virtuous’ one might think… ‘Great example for the children!’ one might think… and yet again… how disingenuous given the ecological fact that the more often a plastic bag is utilized… the less wasteful… the more ‘environmentally friendly’ it becomes… when you do the math… so this school is *Not* really acting conscientiously but is actually ‘not thinking’… I think thier no plastic bag policy is simply pretentious ‘virtue signalling’ and pushing a populist Liberal anti-plastic bag agenda… which has managed to get the New Zealand government to impose a freakish prohibition on Supermarkets using ‘single use’ plastic bags to carry groceries from the counter… yet you can still put your various veges into their own plastic bags… etc etc, and now for 15 cents you can buy Plastic bags that are far more substantial than the old ones with handles and Big Word ‘REUSE, REUSE, REUSE’ printed on them! 😀
Its just plain weird.

The whole thing is absurd and I am sure that mathematically this new prohibition has achieved less than nothing for the New Zealand environment… and yet no doubt there are thousands of Anti-plastic bag Liberals who are gushing with delight when they see the thousands of socially engineered Shoppers using hessian baggies to transport their purchases to their Fossil fuel burners.
And of course this is only the beginning of theses Environmentalist lobby to use Government force to impose their personal values on their subject Neighbours.
What will be their next target? Disposable paper cups and straws have already been targeted… what about Disposable paper towels?
They are already hard at work trying to discourage people from buying Meat and dairy products, and are lobbying for Tax increases on these things as we speak!
This is how Socialism works… how socialism despises Freedom… and encourages Taxes,Tyranny and oppression to grow… all under the cloak of virtue… ‘Saving the planet’… etc etc.
And absolutely nothing is safe from their Self righteous gaze.

“Who Cares!” a Woke Vegan might declare!
For the Masses of zealous Eco-warriors they have little concern for how they achieve their goals… to them ‘the end justifies the means’.
To them if Government crushes *their values* and refuses to impose *their whims* ‘Government is Evil’, yet when Woke Party political people wield the power and they use it to Crush the values of those they despise… all of a sudden ‘Government is Awesome!’.
Socialism is all about Power and Control.
Their ‘Woke’ agenda is that they hate the dairy and Meat industries and want to force everyone into becoming vegetarians, and to do this they go to extreme lengths in their propaganda to demonise these things and make out that they are on a crusade for ‘Better Diets and Health’ when in reality they simply want to destroy their ideological enemies… people who enjoy Steak and Ice cream… and there is no extreme to which they will not stoop to Legislate away our freedom to choose for ourselves.

Yet Let me state for the record that Socialism *is immoral*… Socialism is *Anti-virtue/pro-slavery*!!!
Walk with me a while and i’ll explain how Socialism can take Good Values and turn them into the evil tools of oppression… it can take virtuous ideals and make them the tools of Evil powers… and this current plastic bag ban is a great example.

Now I know of a good and decent person (whose name is not important for the purpose of this monologue) who from reading and watching all the horror stories about ‘Massive floating islands of plastic waste in the oceans… photos of Fish and birds with plastic items trapping them, or carcasses on the beach with plastic spilling out of their entrails , etc (some of these images are obviously Politically fabricated for propaganda purposes) she has become very concerned about Plastic waste in the environment to the degree that she will wash out all the plastic packaging from their household usage, and store it all, and then travel to wherever necessary to ensure it is either recycled or otherwise ‘ethically disposed of’.
Even though I believe New Zealanders suffer a gigantic amount of deceptive Propaganda about Environmentalism, I would never suggest that her concerns for the environment are not of themselves virtuous, or that her activities and self imposed disciplines with respect to plastic were not completely within her rights so to act… and that as long as she was doing these things voluntarily… even if some of her behavior was not actually achieving *any real world benefits to the environment* … she is absolutely within her right to try and live her life according to her own values and the dictates of her heart…That is what having personal values and beliefs are all about! That is what *self responsibility is all about* … and this is what a free society is all about… having a society of enlightened self responsible citizens who voluntarily follow virtue!
And ultimately… if by any means the world is to be saved from Evil… That is how you go about saving the environment!
Multipy this type of personal voluntary action, and that is how you have a population that does not need a policeman in every bush to prevent them from littering… or Government Laws to prevent them from making poor choices when they shop.

Mason building a screed coat cement

And a Year ago… when she was voluntarily bringing her own carry bags to the supermarket so as to avoid using the plastic bags they provide for convenience… she could claim that she was acting *Conscientiously and Virtuously*… but not now… not since the Labour Green Governments silly Ban on shopping Bags… because the Government has taken away any virtue there was in this activity, and effectively turned it into an act of involuntary slavery… and Virtue is a matter of Conscious action… not compulsion.
A year ago some supermarkets (like Countdown) were picking up on this populist environmental feeling and had decided that they would voluntarily stop using plastic carry bags!
Ie They acted *without the need for a government Law to be imposed*… and though this did impose some inconvenience for shoppers and some would not have appreciated that, many others like my environmentalist friend I have been talking about would have been greatly pleased by this and no doubt would have switched shops to do her shopping at Countdown… a perfect match of Capitalism and happy consumers… which because it was mutually voluntary… and involved no coercion… *this form of getting rid of plastic carry bags was completely within the Libertarian paradigm*… completely within the requisites of virtue… and showed that Social change *can and does happen without socialist Government intervention*… *yet of course the socialist Liberal Eco-warriors of The Labour and Green Parties have zero respect for Liberty and voluntary action* and effectively *RUINED* the progress of Freedom by imposing a nationwide ban on plastic supermarket carry bags… taking away from Countdown their ‘voluntary Progressive decision and point of difference with other supermarkets’… and now These political parties act/ ‘Virtue signal’ that *their use of political power has made New Zealand Cleaner and Green* when in reality our country was already moving in that direction *without prohibitions*… via voluntary conscious action.

These are the very same Socialist Political parties that have the cheek to think they are experts on Adult behaviour and the principle of Consent!!!
Everything they do… all their policies are anti voluntary action… Pro-force… anti-consent.
Multiply this Anti-freedom… anti- Voluntary action… anti-consent mentality and activity across the board and you easily see why Socialism is oppressive and tyrannical and functions by coercion… Not enlightened voluntary actions flowing from enlightened values.
It generates a Nation of Slavish zombies… whose actions are not truly virtuous at all!
A typical example of a virtue {Environmental concern) being used as a pseudo-moral justification for Evil Political parties manufacturing evil and oppressive laws.

And Like I said above this modus opperandi is constantly at work… constantly looking for more apparent ‘virtues’ to turn into political weapons to rob their enemies of their Freedom and to further their Party political ambitions.

And the bitter irony is that despite all the brainwashing about Global warming… all the eco-indoctrination going on in the School system… and all the pretentious Veganism and ‘Woke signaling’ we see, These Liberals can still be found *Littering* on our Beaches and roads!
This is because they have not been instilled with virtue… but have instead been lobotomized!
This is the un=expected consequence of Socialism’s attempt to circumvent personal values and Voluntary actions.
A society of Less personal virtue.

The Notion that ‘the end justifies the means’ turns out to mean Any supposed desired end can be dressed up as ‘Good for society’ and then used to pass Despotic Laws.

Libertarians already know all these things, and so my post is mainly hoping to reach out to ‘Woke folk’… eco-warriors, feminists, etc to show them how their values and ideals are being contorted and fooling them into supporting Tyranny… as surely a foolish Christians have been duped by Politicians into supporting tyranny against gays, Prostitutes, Drug uses, etc etc.
This is the *vice* I am referring to… the vice of supporting Totalitarian Government that tries to circumvent Liberty and personal virtue substituting these with Compulsions and prohibitions.
This is what I mean when I say Socialism systematically turns virtues (and values) into vice.

I despise being ‘Socially Engineered’ by Nasty politicians who have Zero respect for my Rights.
I constantly shake my fist towards the Beehive when I have spontaneously decided to ‘duck in’ to the Supermarket and get a few things only to realise I dont have any re-usable Bags with me in my car… yet a mountain of them at home in the cupboard!
Blowed if I am going to buy another 3-4 Hessian bag, and so I end up staking loose items in the dirty Boot of my car and drop a few in the carpark!
All this because of arrogant politicians want to pretend at being virtuous!
Via their Evil politics they can turn otherwise good intentions and values into a great new Evil… because a virtuous ‘End’ cannot justify *Evil and Oppressive means*.
The only virtue any individual can be credited for or take self esteem from are their personal voluntary actions and ideals.
And just because I oppose oppressive environmental legislation does not mean I dont care about the planet!
It means I believe in Liberty and seeking to make the world a better place by Reason, enlightenment, and *converting individuals* to following virtue.

I am a Christian who holds Christian values and beliefs, yet I know that Christian virtues cannot be imposed upon unbelievers by political force, but can only be legitimate when voluntarily embraced by those whom have herd the Christian arguments… and believe them in liberty…. for this is *the only way* true virtues like charity work!… from the heart! So Social welfare is *not Charity* because it is funded via involuntary Taxes… It is the opposite of charity… it is a counterfeit charity of the Devil… so too is the current Ban on the use of Plastic shopping bags a *counterfeit virtue*… Socialism is a Counterfeit Morality…. Satan appears as an Angel of light… and Laughing spreads his wings.

Tim Wikiriwhi.
Libertarian Independent.

More from Tim…

REAL VOLUNTARY PRIVATE CHARITY VS THE EVILS OF WELFARE AND POLITICAL FORCE. .

THE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP IS A VOLUNTARY PRIVATE SOCIETY, NOT A THEOCRATIC POLITICAL MOVEMENT

ALBERT J NOCK AND THE ATROPHY OF CHARITY AND SELF-RELIANCE

GEOFFREY PALMER AND THE RAPE CULTURE OF SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT. TEACHING LIBERALS THE PRINCIPLE OF CONSENT

SATURN’S CHILDREN. LIBERTARIANISM AND ABORTION.

Whale Oil Blog…. Plastic bags: Another useless green moral panic.

For Reference, an edited version of my blogpost appeared as a Guest post on the Whale Oil Blog here : How socialism turns virtues into vice

Stuff: The rise of vegetarians: 1 in 10 New Zealanders mostly, or completely, meat-free
Kiwis are eating less meat than ever, and are more concerned about plastic than climate change.

The Sophistry of Ayn Rand. Selfishness. A conversation with Prodos Marinakis


Ayn Rand’s ‘The Virtue of selfishness’.

It is my opinion that while she is correct about the Ideals of Capitalism and Freedom, Ayn Rand’s philosophy ‘Objectivism’ takes individualism to perverse extremes and in so doing has committed great disservice to the Libertarian cause.
She was a Megalomaniac says the late Nathaniel Branden, and by my reckoning… a Narcissist… and her cult attracts a high percentage of Disciples with similar Sociopathic tendencies.

Unfortunately The reputation of Objectivism has become entangled with that of the Libertarian movement.
Having usurped a position of authority in the Libertarian movement Objectivist teachings and character have caused the Libertarian movement to stink… All the High Ideals of Libertarianism have been sullied because of the delusion that Libertarians are selfish and dont give a toss about the poor, and as long as this is how the Voting Public veiws Libertarianism… There will never be a Libertarian Government elected into office.
Objectivists tend to drive out other types of Libertarians as it takes a very thick skin to bear their Obsessive derision of Religion and glorification of egotistical arrogance.

The accusation that ‘Libertarians are selfish bastards who dont give a shit about the poor’ is a characteristic easily assumed by Socialists and others who have the unpleasant misfortune of talking with an arrogant Randiod Egoist.
Though it is a terrible accusation… this sort of Critisism is often received by an Objectivist as a badge of Honour to be worn with pride! They think concern for others is a vice.
They assume they are imitating their Glorious master who teaches them to be absolutely impervious to the opinions of others.
Central to her Philosophy is also Militant Atheism…’Religion is the root of all evil’ type mentality that is not only overt, but also needs to be appreciated to understand that her Individualism is underpinned (and distorted) because of her Atheism.

Ironically I was prompted to write this blogpost critisising Rands contention that ‘selfishness is a virtue’ after having a Facebook conversation with an Objectivist who shares few (if any) of these common Objectivist traits, and is prepared to Diverge from Rand’s Rabid Anti-theism… Australia’s Colourful champion of Liberty… Prodos Marinakis.
From his comment below you can see for yourself he is willing to be honest and critical about the Objectivist movement.
He’s a very likable Guy.


Prodos Facebook

As Facebook friends I saw one of his posts on ‘The political Compass’ which is a better ‘graph’ on which to plot peoples Political persuasions rather than the ridiculously simplistic Far Left to Far Right Linear graph that is adored by the Mainstream who only seek to maintain the two party system.
These ‘Left and Right’ parties dont like the ‘political compass’ because it outs them as anti-freedom Authoritarians.

Having answered a questionnaire to ascertain his political leanings… the result was plotted on the compass. Below is Prodos result…. and I’ll let our conversation carry on from here… yet for the record I myself am a Bible believing Christian and an Independent Libertarian activist.
*****

…Prodos Marinakis

Political Compass Test — just for fun.
Mine is below. Similar score to Milton Friedman.

More “conservative” than “libertarian”.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Tim Wikiriwhi:
I’m not surprised by your result Prodos given how highly you regard Rand.
I think she distorts peoples views about the virtue of Charity and the vise of selfishness, whereas I highly Regard Jesus Christ and St Paul… and it will be no surprise to you that I usually register as a left leaning Libertarian.

And yet now having completed this test (above) I too have come out a Right leaning Libertarian … making a mockery of my earlier comment… 🙂

In fact We virtually got the same coordinates…[ Both Libertarians rather than Authoritarians …I was slightly to the left of Prodos… yet still on the right side of the spectrum]

Like me you were probably uncomfortable with the Direction of some of the questions and were forced to make some choices without the opportunity to explain your reasoning…

Prodos Marinakis:
Tim, thanks for sharing your Political Compass results & for your comments — both before and after doing the “Political Compass” test.
I’m very glad to see that we got such similar results. You are more surprised by that than I am, since I believe I understand you, better than you understand me.
You wrote, regarding Ayn Rand:
“I think she distorts peoples views about the virtue of Charity and the (vice) of selfishness …”
Well, to talk about Ayn Rand (or Jesus) and not get bogged down, it helps to have specific quotes and to also put them into the proper context. True?
Personally, I consider Charity to be a virtue — provided it’s not tainted by the Kantian notion of altruism (which, despite the modern Church’s reliance on this evil concept, is in fact a post-Christian and anti-Christian invention of Auguste Comte from the 1830’s).
As for “selfishness” as a motive … that term, in Ethics, usually refers to a bad motive.
Calling someone “selfish” usually means that they’re benefiting themselves — even when it’s at the expense of others. And they’re benefiting themselves in a way that’s indifferent to other people.
Yet, there is nothing in Ayn Rand’s fiction or non-fiction that advocates or esteems THAT kind of “selfishness”.
On the contrary, being “selfish” in the Ayn Rand sense — as she explained in The Virtue of Selfishness and encapsulated in her saying: “There are no conflicts of interests among rational men”.
Not to mention the whole model of Free Market Capitalism.
It is true, however, that Objectivism tends to underrate the value and virtue of Charity.
When a writer uses a word (or an expression) it’s important to understand what THE WRITER meant by that word (or expression).
When Jesus says “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s” … we need to study what Jesus meant.
For instance he didn’t mean (as one of my colleagues recently argued) that Jesus is a supporter of taxation and “Big Government”.
(better leave it there for now as I have to cook dinner!)
🙂


Tim Wikiriwhi:
Prodos, I think you have a better grasp than the average Objecitivist because you differ from the average in two aspects.
1. You dont have an innate hatred of religion and so you dont ‘need’ to ‘prove’ it is ‘Evil’… and that gives you a far more objective view when discussing such matters, and (2) this is a corollary (or complimentary) of the fact that you are not afraid to diverge from the Orthodox dogma of the Cult.
Now One of the reasons I accuse Rand of Sophistry is because she trains her disciples to Bastardise the English language by arrogantly abandoning accepted meaning of terms… Re-defining words to mean something other than what they have been historically understood to mean and then proceeds to pretend she can prove the whole world was wrong … *and that she is some sort of Mega-genius* when in fact she is a fraud who has literally re-written the rules.
…often giving terms the very opposite meaning… and most importantly… she has ‘Pre-loaded’ the new meanings so that they will now appear to mathematically add up to the conclusion she wants to achieve… eg ‘that selfishness is now ‘a virtue’…. Objectivists dont even speak the same language… they are disconnected from the historical dialogue and dont even realise they have been swindled… mainly because they share Rands hatred of Christianity and are consumed by their own Egos… and think they too are super geniuses… ‘John Galts’ far above the average savage…. This is not the mentality of ‘Objectivity’… but a type of psychosis that blinds the mind of those who are not aware of what game she is playing.
Now though I know what her nefarious motives were… to discredit Charity… esp religious charity … therefore casting a devious lie to destroy faith in the goodness of Christ and the Christian faith… I can entertain her ‘Revisions’ and understand her silly definitions of ‘Rational selfishness’ vs ‘Irrational selfishness’ …(obviously by her reckoning the historical meaning of selfishness *was this irrational selfishness* and nothing more… not independence… not self-reliance… not self responsibility… and certainly not slavery to the collective!), yet her distortions of Egoism and selfishness, and twisted ideas about altruism as a form of slavery rather than voluntary Individual virtue of charity have contorted the average Objectivists views on Capitalism and Voluntary community Action.
Objectivists are always praising Blatant *Greed*… Rand has crippled their minds so that they are incapable of forming moral arguments that condemn Largess by CEOs at the expense of the well being of the average worker … because the average Objectivist cant understand that simply because a person may have the liberty to act a certain way… that this does not of necessity make it Just, or wise, or of Good character.
Likewise Objectivists tend excuse themselves from supporting worthy voluntary associations and community activities under the pretense that to ‘feel obliged’ to contribute is some sort of ‘psychological slavery’…. yet if any free society is to function it will rely Heavily on exactly these sorts of virtues and voluntarily self imposed moral duty’s.

These are my thoughts on why I suggested that On the Libertarian spectrum I would expect myself to be to the Left of you (Prodos), though I appreciate you are not ‘the average Objectivist’…. yet still your thinking will be ‘coloured’ to some degree by Rands Bents.
I have seen many of your posts that I have enjoyed very much in particular many that could not have been written by the’average Objectivist’ because they are Antireligious-lite… even commending… and that is not a common trait in the Cult.”

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That is where I’ll finish this dialogue with Prodos.

I think think he is is a very interesting, and intelligent Man… a Champion of Liberty… a Man of Reason… who in my opinion avoids sycophantic Rand worship.
Someone a Christian can have a meaningful discussion with… free of petty conceit.

Despite the fact that Long Blog posts are unpopular, I do need to make one further clarification, and that is to say that though Christianity regards Charity as one of the highest virtues, and that People tend to associate this as a mentality common among left leaning political supporters, that it is a grievous error to automatically assume this means Christians ought to be socialists!
The notion that Christ was a socialist has been around for a long time, yet was systematically propagated and grew predominant among Western Christians in the 20th century when Communists infiltrated the churches and began to systematically sway Christians into supporting socialism… despite their Nations Prosperity,Freedom and capitalism being founded upon Christian protestant political reforms and values of Individual Rights, Private property, Hard work, Thrift, Voluntary charity, Honest Free-trade, etc.

This is quite a complex conundrum to untangle, yet when properly understood the confusion and false teaching gives way to definite clarity and broad understanding.
The Key is to understand the dispensational scheme of the scriptures and how things fit in properly with the plan of God.

Reading the Bible there are verses in the Gospels, and early Acts that appear to the unlearned to support the idea that Jesus was anti-wealth and promoted ‘Communism’… yet such an interpretation fails to take into account what Jesus was offering the Jews at the time, and that these instances… such as when he told the Rich young man to sell all his possessions and give the money to the poor… and follow him… are not representative of the future Kingdom Christ had come to establish but was a special time of transition … from the Kingdom of Mammon… into the Messianic Kingdom of God on Earth whereby these injunctions were tests of worthiness to enter his kingdom… repentance for rebellion and sin… and a willingness to forsake the gains achieved under Mammon.. wealth… power… social status… and to enter the kingdom ‘Naked’… fully trusting that Christ would reward them when he had overthrown the Romans and established his rule in Jerusalem.
And here is the real Jam: Christs Kingdom will not be a Communist Utopia!
There will be private property!
The Lazy will not reap the harvests of the Virtuous and hard working, etc!
So the Important thing to appreciate about Christs Message to the Jews at that time and his injunctions to Sell their possessions, and have all things common, and to Turn the other cheek, and to endure persecution unto the end were not instructive of how his Kingdom would function… but tests of Faith and repentance… ie to be found worthy to enter his Kingdom The Jews had to have faith Plus works!
When this is understood the claim that Jesus promoted Socialism collapses… and is exposed as a wicked false doctrine used to deceive Christians for Evil political ends.
Sadly this False doctrine has been very successful with millions of Deceived Christians voting for Big Government Nanny State socialist Tyranny instead of for Liberty and self responsibility guided by personal ethics.
How Ironic that these Christians fail to see they are unwitting supporting Leviathan… enthroning the all powerful State as God… Mammon!

As this Blog post is already too long I will simply ad links to some of my other Blogposts that go into more detail about Christs Kingdom ministry to the Jews… and how that differs from the Christian Age of Grace that we live in today… which is a different dispensation, and has a different gospel..

Read: REDISCOVERING DISPENSATIONAL TRUTH…EXPOSING THE FRAUDS OF ORTHODOXY ONE FALLACY AT A TIME… PART 1. CHRIST’S GOSPEL.

The Ideals of Freedom and Individual rights was born of Protestantism!
Read: PROTESTANT CHRISTIANITY HAD A BABY… LIBERTARIANISM.

I will add a link here to show that true Christian Charity is vastly different from the Atheist pseudo-morality of Socialist Tyranny and the forced redistribution of Wealth via welfare…

Read… REAL VOLUNTARY PRIVATE CHARITY VS THE EVILS OF WELFARE AND POLITICAL FORCE RUFF DRAFT.

And finally below is a Link to a speech I delivered in 2006, at the Tenth anniversary of the now disbanded New Zealand Libertarian party… ‘The Libertarianz’ in which I tried to expound why I thought Rabid Objectivism needed to take a back seat to a more Humane and tolerant activism if the party was to have any hope of success at the polls… as can be seen from the date posted to the blog was in 2012… and I was still very angry about what had happened to the Libertarianz party… I was of the opinion that Objectivism was/ had suffocated the party.
I saw the party as becoming little more than a propaganda machine to further the Atheist Cult of Rand… I had already walked away from it by then.
Fanatical Objectivists have convinced themselves that by coining the phrase ‘Egoism’ that they can escape the the accusations of Egotism! another example of Rand’s Sophistry are work!
Egoism… self worship…they say is the highest Individual character trait!

Read: THE FAILURE OF OBJECTIVIST LIBERTARIANISM.

New Zealand still needs a Libertarian Political Choice… yet if this is ever to rise again lessons need to be learned from the Objectivist Dominated Libertarianz party.
If a New Libertarian party is to rise it cannot become a recruitment tool for the Cult of Objectivism… Rands Philosophy cannot be adopted as the last word on Party Policy… and certainly Objectivist Intolerance towards religious views or Charity… cannot be allowed to set the tone of Party Literature and conduct.
A far more Libertarian and enlightened Character and charter needs to be set and presented to the voting public…one in which Libertarianism is expounded that shows Liberty is far more compassionate and Humane than Socialism ever was… and when you Look a a guy like Prodos Marinakis and his moderated style of Objectivism compared to the Rabid Rand worshiping Egoist and Millitant Atheists… the contrast is stark.
Its the difference between an enlightened and Tolerant, and thinking Libertarian… from an indoctrinated Fanatical Zealot of a God hating Cult of selfish arseholes!


This Caricature of Rand and Objectivism may be an exaggeration yet it is not wholly Unjustified as anyone who has had anything to do with the Objectivist movement will tell you… and you can read about just how delusional Rand was in person by one of her closest and most dedicated disciples… Nathaniel Branden… Read “My Years with Ayn Rand”.
When Judgement day comes for Any Rand she will be exposed as a fraud… In Reality she was not Great at all but a Delusional Woman full of the worst Character traits… and her toxic beliefs bring out the worst in those that are deceived by her.

Fortunately there are some New Zealand Objectivists and Libertarians who share the same virtues as Prodos… those that are prepared to think for themselves more and quote Rand less.
Any New party would need to maintain a separation of the Church of Ayn Rand and State… as much as a separation of any other personal ideology.
This is where hope lies and could be the basis for Cooperation between Libertarians of all persuasions.
Getting things all in their correct context and this way Libertarianism will have a much broader appeal… including winning Christians and others out of Socialism and into supporting Freedom where they ought to be. This will only happen when Egoism, and Atheism, and Selfishness are not the defining traits of the Libertarian party… But Enlightened tolerance and adherence to just principles, equality before the Law, and a desire to downsize Government and abolish unjust tyrannical laws and taxes… “He who governs best… governs least”. Thomas Jefferson.
Maybe sometime soon Kiwi Libertarians can have a Reunion… a few Beers… and talk about what could be… what should be in the near future.

Tim Wikiriwhi
Christian Libertarian.

P.S… Read… THE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP IS A VOLUNTARY PRIVATE SOCIETY, NOT A THEOCRATIC POLITICAL MOVEMENT.

And… STANDING UP FOR JUSTICE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PERSONAL AMBITIONS

More from Tim…

MATERIALISM RENDERS MAN NOUGHT. MEANING-LESS, VALUE-LESS, RIGHT-LESS

WE ARE NOT ROBOTS AYN RAND. WE ARE MORAL AGENTS.

MONISM: EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY AND THE DEATH OF MORALITY, REASON AND FREEWILL.

SICK PUPPIES.

Facebook AI does not follow their own Community Standards… but then who expects intelligence from a Stupid Robot?

This Photo I shared in my own ‘Xmas’ photo Album was picked up by Facebook AI and flagged as against Community Standards.
I requested a review and it was restored as not being a breach, and Facebook then asked me what my ‘experience’ of this ‘event’ was like and so I have copied my response…

I posted this story to my own page ‘Fascist Free Zone’ and even though the picture now has Facebooks own flag on the top saying ‘closed’, their AI still immediately picked it up and told me i was in violation of Community standards *AGAIN!*
So now on my ‘personal facebook file’ inside the beast I have collected two false negative xx’s against my reputation (social credits) all because their Artificial intelligence is running amok and not consistent with their own community standards!

This picture did not get flagged as a breach by itself… or did it?
I think some petty small minded feminists have reported/ complained about this picture and some Facebook SJW feminist working for facebook has flagged it for supression… even though it falls within what is an acceptable degree of nudity given it does not show any of the ‘forbidden nipple’.
I can easily see how some rouge SJW operatives within the facebook ‘war room’ have an agenda to bend the rules to attack facebook users they perceive as ‘Misogynists’… part of the male ‘Rape culture’… etc.

I can easily see how via these means people like myself who have not violated the community standards still get thrown in facebook jail simply because they dont comply with the *personal prejudices* of those who are given the power to censor users like myself.

To say this is unfair is an understatement… in an age when social media will determine Elections and how Laws get passed etc etc this is frightening political/ religious/ irreligious bias.

Facebook has again reported back that They have made a mistake and that my post is not in violation of their community standards… so that is something.

Or perhapse Facebook AI has done its own ‘evaluation’ on this image and deemed it to be inappropriate?
Harder to believe… yet still possible.
Robots are Dumb.
Even when they can mimic Human actions they are just fancy toasters… not thinking… not intelligent… and certainty not Moral agents… and yet we are fast moving into a world in which Robots will control our lives…. frightening much!

China is getting into AI in a Big way… coupled to social Media and Facial Recognition via the all seeing electronic eyes.
Even that sentence I have just written has probably been flagged in a Chinese spy system…
This is the world we are leaving to our Children….

Tim Wikiriwhi.

More from Tim.

MANKIND IS ON THE VERGE OF CREATING SENTIENT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE? BULLSHIT!

SCIENCE GOES GA GA! THE SPIRIT TEMPLE-MATERIAL INTERFACE. THE HUMAN BRAIN.

MONISM: EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY AND THE DEATH OF MORALITY, REASON AND FREEWILL.

WE ARE NOT ROBOTS AYN RAND. WE ARE MORAL AGENTS.

SICK PUPPIES.

My submission in Opposition to the Electoral (Entrenchment of Māori Seats) Amendment Bill

Committee Secretariat
Committee Secretariat
Māori Affairs Committee
Parliament Buildings
Wellington

Phone:04 817 8086
ma@parliament.govt.nz

My name is Tim Wikiriwhi

Kia ora,
I oppose the Electoral (Entrenchment of Māori Seats) Amendment Bill.

The Following is my submission in opposition to the Entrenchment of the Maori Seats in parliament and the perpetuation of the Apartheid Electoral system.

By Apartheid I am of course referring in particular to the current Race based electoral system, the Maori seats in Parliament, and more generally to the Body of Legislation and Government institutions that segregate the people of New Zealand in two… on the basis of Race granting great Political advantages to one favored race, and relegation everyone else to a lower second tier with less rights.

The following are my reasons…

The proposal to entrench the Maori seats is nothing short of an attempt to prevent Reform… and to maintain political advantages… that have seen The Political class of Maori enjoying easy access to the Nations coffers… and positions of Privilege and power… all the while pretending to be the voice of ‘an oppressed people.
This is a gigantic scam.
Maori Have enjoyed massive Positive discrimination for Decades… and yet the Racist radicals leading their racist political parties never cease to cry out that Maori are somehow Racially discriminated against… by a corrupt *European government and population*!
How long will these charlatans be allowed to treat their fellow countrymen like fools?

Decades have past of both National and Labour Party led Governments pandering to the Racist Radicals occupying the Maori Seats… Billions of Dollars have flowed in one direction… Untold numbers of Race Based institutions have been built… and Treaty Settlements given over… yet we see no end in site of the grievances… no abatement… no peace. What we see is ongoing and increasing Greed… and a lust to continue with this Bribery and extortion.
This is the shameful desire of those whom have proposed the entrenchment of the Status quo.

This Apartheid system is patently unjust… Patently a travesty of the principles of Justice… esp the principle of Racial equality before the Law!
and yet Socialist academics and Politicians try and pretend all this legalised racism is *More just* than the time honored Paramount Principles of justice!

What is all the grievance but claims of having been discriminated against and having been treated un-equally?
Ie *Even the grievances* are an emotive appeal to the principle of equality ( yet in fact its political advantages they desire.)

The Socialist academics and Radicals say… “oh… all this political favoritism we have established is just a temporary measure… to help rectify ‘past injustices’… and to give Maori a boost up out of the gutter… and then… at some future date… when Maori are flourishing… then… we will abolish this apartheid system.”

*Yet this is another despicable ruse*… Proven by the very fact that they want to entrench the Maori Seats so as to make it even harder to abolish these Racist thrones and end the Treaty Gravy train.
These Socialists want to perpetuate the Apartheid system indefinitely whereby it matters not how many generations the majority of New Zealanders have been born here… you will *never* be a real *citizen*… never a true New Zealander… this will never be politically considered *your home*… These Birthrights will only and forever be the preserve of the Privileged race… The so-called Tangata Whenua (though they are in truth late arrival Migrants too).
This is what the entrenchment of the Maori Seats seeks to maintain indefinitely.

What else has Decades of Favouritism… Billions of Dollars achieved for Maori… has this social engineering been a Pragmatic Social success?
No! After All this Socialism… all this Welfareism… all the Treaty settlements the Maori people still wallow at the bottom of virtually all social statistics!
Poverty, Serious Crime, and Ill health… shorter life expectancy… Maori Rank the worst of all!
Why is this?

Is it because of ‘Racism’ and ‘oppression’ as all the Maori radicals and activists… and academics in our Education system claim?
Absolutely not!

*Why all this Socialism and Political favoritism* is failing the Maori people is because it wrongly diagnoses the *Real Moral disease* that is keeping Maori in the gutter…

In fact it is making things far worse for the average Maori Family… because it fails to place the real responsibility for their plight where it belongs… Not on their Pakeha Neigbours… The real responsibility for Maori Crime, and poverty, and ill health belongs with *Maori themselves* … and by making it easy for them to get onto welfare… by making excuses for their horrific crimes… and lack of personal care for their own health and prosperity… the entire Socialist system has been perpetuating a gigantic lie… and has been ‘enabling their ongoing denial of who is *really responsible* for their own plight!

Maori Politicians get elected to the Race based seats by pedaling Nasty lies about the Pakeha into the ears of their Maori constituents… saying its all the Greedy Pakehas fault!
They have fostered a Terrible prejudice against the Pakeha within the hearts of the Maori people and this corrodes the soul like canker.

Maori like myself who instead try and tell Maori that the Pakeha are not to blame, but that it is the Maori peoples own shameful lack of personal ethics and responsibility that are to blame… We truth tellers are hated for our honesty by our own people… our families… The Maori Radicals who get elected to the Race based seats in Parliament *Dont represent progressive thinking Maori like myself*… and by seeking to perpetuate the culture of blame… the culture of welfare dependence… and the culture of entitlement above their fellow countrymen The People who sit in these race base seats do not represent what is in the best interests of the Maori People… or the whole country…. all the people of New Zealand as a nation.

The reasons these seats were originally created have long since disappeared… and they ought to have been abolished over a century ago… yet of course once positions of power have been created… there also exists a powerful vested interest *to maintain* the status quo and resist reform.
This is why they have not yet been abolished and New Zealand continues to suffer the shameful consequences because of a lack of spine and principle.

Yet New Zealanders are growing tired of this massive scam… despite all the State propaganda and the Vested interests now fear there is enough people in New Zealand to demand these seats be abolished… by a simple majority … This is what the vested interest of Racist radicals fear… the loss of their political advantages that allows them to perpetually extort wealth from the people of New Zealand.
They want to thwart this Democratic reform.

These are the Reasons why I oppose the entrenchment of the Maori seats in parliament.
I want the People of New Zealand wake up to all this evil and to be able to Reform their democratic system and abolish all this Apartheid shame and to steer an new and better course away from Socialist racism, welfarism and blame… towards self responsibility, and self-reliance, under the justice of Equality before the Law… one Law for all… and for all the people of New Zealand to be able to claim their Birthright as Full Citizens… for this country to truly belong to them just as much as the Maori people.

Under freedom and equality Maori will still be Maori… They will still be free to revel in their culture… and New Zealanders of all races will still be able to Celebrate Maori culture as most of them do.
The claim that there is a race relations crisis has been a complete fabrication… to the degree that we suffer real race relations problems in this country we may thank the toxic prejudices of the Maori radicals themselves… a minority of Haters and Bigots that New Zealand has had the misfortune of suffering… and the sooner they are thrown out of parliament the better for everyone… including… especially the Maori People!

In truth when the Apartheid system is abolished *Maori will not lose any legitimate rights*.
When they stop blaming the Pakeha for all their misfortunes… and stop heeding the hateful racism of the radicals who seek to poison their hearts against their neighbours… and instead start to adopt all the essential personal ethics that *all civilised individuals must respect… these ethics will Keep their sons out of trouble with the law.
Maori must forsake welfare dependence and embrace the value and virtues of hard work and savings… and realize that the only people who can keep them from being Obese or wasting the money at the pub… Beating their wives… etc… *is themselves*.

Then we shall start to see a change in their social statistics that have been so horrific under decades of Failed socialism and welfarism, and Blame.

It is not the Governments Job to raise them out of the gutter… that is impossible… because it can only happen via *a moral revolution* within the hearts and minds of the Maori people themselves.
And the best thing we can do for them is get rid of the Evil race based seats that empower the racist radicals who fill the Maori peoples minds with poison, and hate, and dependence.

I hereby Oppose the Electoral (Entrenchment of Māori Seats) Amendment Bill

I would also like the opportunity to deliver a speech in person to Comittee if that is at all possible.

I am proud of my own Maori heritage, yet I want My children to firstly think of themselves as *New Zealanders*… equal with their Fellow Kiwi of all races.
I want them to be judged… not by the colour of their skins… but the content of their character… and for that to be how they judge others too.

Thank you for reading my submission.
I believe these issues to be of the Highest order of importance for the future success and well-being of our beautiful country.

Tim Wikiriwhi.

For reference and extra public commentary, an edited version of my blogpost appeared as a Guest post on the Whale Oil Blog here : I oppose the Electoral (Entrenchment of Māori Seats) Amendment Bill


RIP Wayne Elliot.

I think Satan’s existence is a Logical necessity … I Challenge you to Change my mind. (Good God/Evil World part 8)

The following argument has been in my mind for decades… ever since I was converted from Atheism to Bible believing Christianity.
I am not a trained academic or Logician myself, Yet have attempted to solicit dialogue on my conjectures from several ‘Trained academics’ yet so far have had no response.
Thus I have never received any Rebuttal that might dissuade me from my conclusion… simple Atheist assertions that ‘God does not exist… or Satan does not exist’ are not arguments but groundless (and in my opinion erroneous) claims, and this post will attempt to prove the idea that even if I cant say Satan’s existence today is knowable… that at one point back in history of all reality… his existence was a certainty.

The following is an expanded form of my assertion, just to lay down the framework/ context of my contentions plainly.
That I say Satan’s existence is a Logical necessity is based upon the Title Jesus Christ called Satan… “The Father of Lies”… ie Satan *invented Lies* and deception… or at least he was the first *to actually lie*… and this brings up the principle of non-materialist *Free will*.

Christ calls himself… The Way… *The Truth* and the life and the Bible says that *all things were created by him and for him*, and many Infidels who cannot get past their notions of Determinism therefore argue that ‘if the God exists… then *God himself* is responsible even for Satan’s lies… because God made Satan, yet as I have already said they are unable to accept any notion of any created being having autonomous free-will that may differ from the ultimate will of God himself.

Yet the concept of Free will is fundamental to Christian Morality… It permeates the whole Bible from the very Beginning when God commanded Adam not to eat of the forbidden fruit, and it is what makes us *morally culpable* for our own actions while exonerating God for giving us the Liberty to make choices … for good or ill.

“…And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Gen 2)

The Fallen Angel Satan entered the garden and deceived Eve… Adam then chose to disobey the commandment of God Almighty and ate of the Forbidden fruit… and then tried to blame God for what happened by saying “… And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.” (Gen 3vs 12)

Yet God was not responsible for Adams choice to mistrust and disobey God… even though God did create *the possibility* for Adam to so choose… It was Adam who was the free will moral Agent who made the choice and that is why Adam was morally culpable… and God without blame.
God is completely withing his right to so order his creations of both the Angels and Humanity with the *potential to sin against him*… Not making us *mere robots*… but True *Children* whose love and ongoing obedience to his Divine rule is not something imposed upon us by our nature… but something *real* and special… and moral… none the less this requires having so ordered things that *the potential to rebel against God* was an inescapable necessity to the dynamic of being able to freely submit to his Sovereignty.

So Like the temptation of Mt Everest in the distance calling vain Men to their doom… trying and Conquer its peak… so to Did God create *the potential for Evil*… for Rebellion… yet that was only as a counterpoise for Freewill love and submission.. not because he *wanted* anyone to rebel… yet still to have *Loving Children* rather than Robots… God Deemed this risk to be worth it… and their would be few honest people who would prefer to be like Ants… wholey driven by their instincts and physical drives, than to be as they are… with Freewill to determine their own lives and activities… Taking credit for their own virtues and successes.

Now I have laid out the groundwork, I can address the main point of which the Title of this post… God Created The Highest Heaven… God Created The Holy Angels and that was When Satan was ‘Lucifer’… the highest Angel in that Order of beings.
I have already explained that God created them with Freewill and gave them the scope to exercise this essential component of their being for which they were created.
An unknown length of ‘time’ passes, and then God Created ‘the Heavens and the Earth'(yet not Mankind)…. and it was sometime after this that Lucifer became jealous of God… and desired to be worshiped… and that is when Evil grew in his ‘heart’ and he chose to Rebel against God.
This is when Satan decided to start telling lies… To corrupt many of his fellow angels into following him instead of God Almighty.
So While the *potential to tell lies* had always existed in counterpoise to being able to tell the truth…. Satan was the first Being to *ever exercise* that potential… he became ‘The father of Lies’.

and it is here that I now posit my Logical challenge… We exist in a reality in which *Telling lies* is a fundamental fact of Human existence… liars exist… Down here on Earth Lies are a currency as often traded in as the truth, which of necessity raises the question… who… in the entire existence of all reality… was the first being to ever tell a lie?
We know that because lies exist today that somewhere someone back in eternity past *must have been the first Lying being*… and it is this Being The Bible calls *Satan*… the Father of Lies.
Satan is therefore a Logical necessity!
And Satan is the Being responsible for Bringing All Evils into the world… even though We as Freewill moral agents are responsible for our own choices to follow Satan’s lies rather than trust in God Almighty.
This is a fundamental Dynamic to our existence!

Change my mind!

Satan Laughing… spreads his wings.

Some Atheists may say… “The father of Lies must have been a human being”… I admit that this ‘Idea’ is worth contemplating… yet when you consider that there is virtual universal consensus on the conjecture that the Human race has not existed for very long… and that even the Earth has not existed for ever… and that Most Atheists also harbour Ideas that we are probably not the only intelligent beings in the universe ( that this is a belief for which they dont have any more *Physical evidence* for such alien beings than I do for Satan seems to escape them… they base their conjectures on no more firm unproven rationale than I do for mine)… yet still does not their own conjectures make the notion that ‘the father of lies’ must have been a Human being uncertain?
Could not *another being* that pre-dates Humanity have told the first lie? (He would then be Satan!)

And then Atheists have an even greater problem… *How lies*… or even *telling the truth*… can even be concepts… if we exist in a Purely Materialistic Reality in which everything is inextricably locked into a chain of physical causation right back to the big bang?

Tim Wikiriwhi.
Christian Libertarian.
Dispensationalist.
King James Bible believer.

More from Tim….

THE GOSPEL OF GOD’S GRACE.

CHRIST’S WORK OF SALVATION ON THE CROSS… THE GREAT EQUALISER.

THE OBJECTIVE REALITY OF HELL. SUBJECTIVE WHIM VS BELIEF IN HEINOUS THINGS: A DIALOGUE.

WHEN THE ACCUSER COMES CALLING…TRUST IN THE LORD’S GOOD CHARACTER…TRUST IN HIS WORD. (GOOD GOD/EVIL WORLD PART 7)

The Rock of Divine Revelation.

Death of an Atheist. Follow the evidence.

THEN COMETH SATAN…. “YEA HATH GOD SAID…?” AND IT CAME TO PASS…. THE BIBLE IS TRUSTWORTHY AND CARRIES THE AUTHORITY OF GOD ALMIGHTY. BELIEVE IT! DON’T LET EDUCATED FOOLS LEAD YOU TO DESTRUCTION.

GOOD FRIDAY 16: WHEN FRIENDS WHO ONCE WERE FUN AND COOL BECOME ANNOYING NAGGING CHRISTIANS!

Life and Death. Hope and Happiness. A Tribute to Rev John Steele Clark.

How can a Good God exist when there is so much evil in the world? (part1) Atheist Nihilism.

How can a Good God exist when there is so much evil in the world? (part 2) The Thirst for Blood.

Horror stories. How can a Good God exist when there is so much Evil in the world? (Part 3)

How can a Good God exist when there is so much Evil in the world? (Part 4) Interlude.

Seether: Know Thyself. How can a Good God exist when there is so much evil in the world? Part 5.

‘Good Atheists’ and the seriousness of sin. Good God/Evil world. 6

Hell is for the Self Righteous, Heaven is for Sinners.

The Gospel of God’s Grace.

The hope which is In Christ. Terrible grief shall be turned into great joy!

Car Crash.

We are not Robots Ayn Rand. We are Moral Agents.

Monism: Evolutionary Psychology and the Death of Morality, Reason and Freewill.

The Rusty Cage: Scientism.

Defunct / Archaic Western Dogma blindly insists : ‘Whatever does not fit the Naturalistic Materialist Paradigm is Illusory’. Entity Attacks

The Lies of Atheist Pseudo Science.

Pasteur’s Law, Creation Science vs Nose Bone Atheism.

Biomimicry… Plagiarizing God’s designs.

Sick Puppies.

Thorns in the Flesh.

Rapturous Amazement! The Advance of Science Converts The High Priest of Atheism to Deism. A Flew.

The Walls are closing in on Atheism… not Theism.

Faith, Science, and Reason. The Pomposity of Atheism.

Materialism renders Man Nought. Meaning-less, Value-less, Right-less
Dispensational Truth. 2Timothy2vs15, Ephesians 3vs1-9

Willful Ignorance and the Limits of human reason (without Divine Revelation.)

Give me Liberty, or give me Death!